Egann
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Post by Egann on Nov 10, 2016 17:05:05 GMT
Needlessly condescending. Thumper rule. There is basis for feeling anxious, even if you can't see it. I'm not saying there's no basis for anxiety or that people here are incapable of rational discussion. I'm saying that there's enough hurt feelings that now is probably not a great time and no matter how well thought out or badly researched my posts are, they'd be salt in the wound for someone. Besides, for better or worse we're in the lame duck for two months, so taking a week doesn't hurt anything. If that's condescending...sorry. That was not the intention. Although the thought of getting banned immediately after moving to the new forums made me giggle. I told you it would happen eventually.But I'm fine with continuing this in PMs. I'll probably take Steve up on the invitation. Except for crap he proves me wrong on, it'll mostly be stuff that'll wind up here eventually, so it's not like anyone will miss anything important.
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Oberon Storm
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Post by Oberon Storm on Nov 10, 2016 18:45:52 GMT
Something to remember is that Clinton won the popular vote. Not by much but, it still means things.
Despite what Paul Ryan might think Drumpf does not hold a mandate. When considered with the fact that we only ever get between 50% and 60% of total voter turnout it also means we did NOT see half of America vote for hate. I know it's not much consolation, but it's something.
This is also means the Electoral College needs to go. Twice in five elections? Before 2000 the last time this happened was 1888.
The next bit I have to preface with the acknowledgment that Drumpf has done everything that at the beginning I thought was impossible. I never expected him to last past March in the primaries and then he just kept winning.
I also have to crow here a bit. Toward the end of the primaries and going into to the general I was telling everyone that listened that Clinton was a weak ass candidate. With what Drumpf was pulling off nominating her was a mistake on the Democrats part. That was the hubris I mentioned before. Now just look...
I bring up Drumpf doing the impossible because I have to admit I may be wrong here, but he can't just build a wall. It's not going to happen. He also can't take away gay marriage. That would take a Constitutional amendment now. That's not happening. So I'm actually with Egann on some of this (Obama was not incompetent. I hate that no one has ever challenged you on that statement).
Not to say we have nothing to worry about. I have no idea what power he is going to actually have to ban Muslim travel. For all I know he can.
Illegal immigrants need to also be worried. Though at the same time deportations were always a thing under Obama, too.
ACA? That's gone.
Consumer protections? lol wut?
Supreme Court? I can only hope we get another conservative that ends up not doing what everyone expects and actually thinks about things. Like O'Connor.
Economically things are probably about to go to shit.
But hey... There's the midterms. And hopefully people will quit trying abide by this two party system myth.
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Post by SteveT on Nov 10, 2016 19:05:19 GMT
Yeah, I didn't want to touch the part about Obama. That's worth its own thread.
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Wolf O'Donnell
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Post by Wolf O'Donnell on Nov 10, 2016 21:21:14 GMT
I had typed out a very well thought out post but the stupid boards just wiped it clean. I'm too annoyed to do it again so I'm going to say I really hope the parallels between Trump's election and Brexit don't play out.
Some of the rhetoric from Brexiters are getting very scary now, but hopefully, they are a minority, even though a mainstream media outlet decided it would be a good idea to label judges as "enemies of the people".
EDIT: Hang on a second! Did you guys end up voting in a Creationist Vice President?
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wisp
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Post by wisp on Nov 11, 2016 4:05:34 GMT
EDIT: Hang on a second! Did you guys end up voting in a Creationist Vice President? And from what I've read, one who supports conversion therapy, no less.
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Post by SteveT on Nov 11, 2016 4:38:54 GMT
Yeah, Pence is almost more objectionable to me that Trump. Dominionist, gay-hating, and immune to science. But Trump needed him because he needed to cater to Evangelicals, so there it is.
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Egann
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Post by Egann on Nov 11, 2016 12:37:03 GMT
So I don't suppose it will hurt to make an exception to talk about the electoral college...
There's no getting around the fact that it doesn't work for us, but before everyone gets on the train of "it needs to go" I want to point out what it does do for us, which is limit the effects of voter fraud. All of the recent elections have been dictated by microscopic margins relatively speaking, and the electoral college means that each district is considered separately, so any affects of fraud are quarantined into that area alone and there are only a few places where cheating will be effective. Right now voter fraud isn't much of a thing because if you do a cost-benefit analysis the risks outweigh the benefits most of the time, but if you drop the electoral college that changes in a big way. After a few elections to adjust norms, the winner of the national election will always be the one who commits voter fraud and doesn't get caught. The margins are too tiny and the stakes are too high for them to come to any other conclusion.
I don't have a good solution.
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Selena
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Post by Selena on Nov 12, 2016 15:31:55 GMT
So far his cabinet / transition picks sound like a combination of Washington establishment (no doubt hand-picked by advisers) and more sycophantic choices. Namely, anyone who kissed his ass on the campaign trail. While those who spoke against him or remained low profile will be deliberately pushed away -- sounds like that's the case with Christie. Not that I mind Christie not having a job in the White House. But it will be worrisome if Trump ends up surrounding himself with yes-men.
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