Turtlebro
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Post by Turtlebro on Oct 14, 2016 3:59:04 GMT
So I know that I'm still fairly new to politics and what not, with this really being the third election I've actually followed, but goddammit I cannot help but feel so unenthusiastic about the candidates we have. My views are pretty simple though, ANYONE but Trump. In all honesty, I don't really consider HRC to be that much worse than your average politician, deceitful and generally untrustworthy, and her platforms certainly aren't the worst, I just think that actually having someone who actually nearly all of my views and who actually seemed like a genuine individual really just turned me off from just accepting the lesser of two evils mentality. In the end, I'm more than likely going to vote for her, because fuck Trump, I just wish I had a better reason for it. Honestly though, considering that Indiana is such a deeply red state, I really don't think it matters who I vote for, since Trump is pretty much guaranteed to win IN. So unless he really screws the pooch between now and November, which isn't out of the realm of possibility, IN is Trump's to lose. As stated above though, my current view is ANYONE but Trump, so I will vote for whomever is most likely to beat him in IN. The lastest polls had HRC in second at 30%, down 18 points or so, so unless there's some sort of mass conservative exodus to Johnson, my vote is going to end up being blue. That is unless Trump were to drop out, then I'll actually sit down and give it all some actual thought. There's even a chance that Republicans will get their heads out of their asses and nominate someone capable of challenging her. Funny story, that's what I said after the last Republican primary. I remember thinking, "Well that sure was pathetic, maybe next time they'll actually nominate some decent candidates." and man have I never been so wrong before.
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Post by SteveT on Oct 16, 2016 21:44:02 GMT
That's a really good point. I remember reading about the autopsy report. Clearly, no one in the GOP actually finished it.
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Fëanen
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Post by Fëanen on Oct 17, 2016 0:10:59 GMT
That's a really good point. I remember reading about the autopsy report. Clearly, no one in the GOP actually finished it. Unfortunately, a lot of voters seem to have thought the problem with Romney and McCain was that they didn't go far enough. Hence electing a candidate who doesn't seem to have an internal filter.
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Masamune
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Post by Masamune on Oct 17, 2016 0:13:55 GMT
Honestly though, considering that Indiana is such a deeply red state, I really don't think it matters who I vote for, since Trump is pretty much guaranteed to win IN. So unless he really screws the pooch between now and November, which isn't out of the realm of possibility, IN is Trump's to lose. As stated above though, my current view is ANYONE but Trump, so I will vote for whomever is most likely to beat him in IN. The lastest polls had HRC in second at 30%, down 18 points or so, so unless there's some sort of mass conservative exodus to Johnson, my vote is going to end up being blue. It's not impossible. We went blue for Obama. Trump may just be horrible enough that we'll go blue again.
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Delphi
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Post by Delphi on Oct 17, 2016 4:15:04 GMT
Utah is almost always a red state but this year it's split pretty well down the middle because a lot of Utah's population is just downright disgusted with Trump. A lot of people are voting Democrat this year for the first time in their entire lives just to make sure Trump doesn't get our piddley amount of electoral votes. Hell I've said in the past that unless she makes some major changes I would never vote for Hillary EVER. I'm eating those words in a few weeks just to avoid the risk of giving Trump any sort of headway via third party votes splitting the state. So you never know how badly Trump has disgusted his supposed target demographic.
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Post by Selena on Oct 17, 2016 4:29:58 GMT
Trump seems to be focusing most of his attention now on Clinton's corruption and the notion that the general election will be rigged.
Maybe he thinks this will steer voters in his direction with just a few weeks remaining, trying to make himself look like someone who will be honest (if brutally and inelegantly so). But it's just adding fuel to the riot-flames. If he's getting huge crowds of overly-passionate people riled up even further, then the likelihood of post-election violence increases. I saw a video at one rally where people were shouting that Clinton should be hung in the streets. If people feel like the election was stolen, and if they're convinced that Clinton should have been thrown in jail all along, then you get people feeling like vigilante "justice" is a viable thing.
One spark is all it will take -- be it widespread riots, building occupations, or a full-on presidential assassination. Maybe that's part of the reason Clinton doesn't go anywhere without a full security detail and doesn't stay outside longer than she has to.
Meanwhile, the Democrats are overly-focused on Russia, which is also not helping their campaign. The DNC leaks continue to flow in. A lot of "analysts" make them sound a little more dramatic than they actually are, but there's definitely some sketchy shit that should be addressed.... but will probably be ignored after the election. Seems like a portion of the DNC associates are well-aware of Clinton's awfulness and massively disagree with how she treated Sanders, but so far the higher-ups have simply turned their noses up at those complaints.
Also, Citigroup pretty much chose Obama's White House cabinet for him. Silver lining, though. "We have included a list of women candidates even though the White House has not requested one." Turns out the evil corporations are more interested in having women in charge than the actual government? I mean.... er.... good?
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Post by Egann on Oct 17, 2016 19:12:04 GMT
...And while we're at it, CNN declares it's illegal to look at Wikileaks.So at this point we should know that large swaths of the media are explicitly pro-Hillary, to the point that Glenn Beck stated electing Hillary was a moral and ethical choice. GLENN BECK. Rest assured that he lost a lot of viewers and followers over what he's said over the past few weeks. He also smashed his face in a bowl of cheetos to see if he could make himself look like Trump...which I admit is kinda funny. Honestly, if you can't put Hillary's reputation together with some of these actions, you genuinely deserve Caesar's army crossing the Rubicon. This is not an unbiased media; this is people from major news networks expecting to be purged if they don't get on the Hillary bandwagon.
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Delphi
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Post by Delphi on Oct 17, 2016 23:22:00 GMT
Actually, oddly enough, I can explain the Glenn Beck one.
Technically, loath as I am to out myself in the same category as Glenn Beck, he is a Mormon. Trump is extremely unpopular in our demographic, part of the reason for Utah's likely swing over to Blue this election. We haven't been told by our leaders to vote for Hillary at all. We have been told to think very carefully about the election and the candidates and a lot of us, on our own, came to the conclusion that in swing states it's better to vote for Hillary than let Trump win. Now in other states that don't teeter so close to actually giving their votes to Trump a lot of Mormons of focusing on being very active about third party candidates.
Why don't we like Trump? Well Trump is a serial philanderer, would have no problems breaking up families by deporting people left and right, and there's rumours he can't quite seem to squash abound that he's forced his wives to have abortions. Not a lot we agree with there. He's woefully uneducated about healthcare, especially vaccines, where we are extremely pro-vaccine and donate a quite a bit to help eradicate polio in the last few holdouts and are setting our sites on measles. We focus a lot on service while Trump focuses on as long as I get mine everyone else can burn. Romney has come out and pleaded with other Mormons not to support Trump lest we end up endorsing "trickle down racism." Yeah when the unpopular guy that people said was out of touch last election is saying this kind of stuff, you know it's bad.
So that's one of the reasons Glenn Beck may be changing his tune and had an attack of conscience after our church put out its usual "think before you vote" letter we have read to us every October every four years. Or it could be the lulz Trump is awesome message is alienating a group he used to be able to count on and his ratings are taking a major dive. As much as I'd like it to be the former, it's probably the latter.
Either way, I'm setting my own personal sites less on the presidency and more of who's up for the Senate. I've been itching to see Hatch go for quite a while and I'm hoping this is the year it finally happens. He's the second longest serving senator in history and I don't think anyone should be in the kind of office as long as he has.
I'm very much in support of term limits for Senators and Representatives because I don't think someone should be able to exert that much power for that long when it's shown time and time again that they have no idea what modern America even looks like. How many of our Senators didn't even know wtf SOPA was talking about because they're so technologically illiterate?
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Masamune
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Post by Masamune on Oct 18, 2016 2:49:16 GMT
The way I heard it, Glenn Beck was against him from the very start. He just happens to have a lot more spine than most big name Republicans.
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Delphi
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Post by Delphi on Oct 18, 2016 3:53:56 GMT
Could very well be possible he was against him from the start. I try to block out most thing about Glenn Beck though since my Grandmother discovered him. She acts he's the actual prophet of the church some days, practically treats what the man says as gospel, and I get tired of hearing her racist, sexist, xenophobic rants with her saying "And Glenn Beck said..!" so he's been tainted in my mind.
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Post by SL the Pyro on Oct 19, 2016 17:53:02 GMT
The third and apparently final presidential debate begins at 9 PM EST tonight. Should I run for the nearest bunker or ready the popcorn? (Or both?)
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Delphi
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Post by Delphi on Oct 19, 2016 19:12:43 GMT
Put the popcorn kernals above Donald and let the hot air work its magic.
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Post by SteveT on Oct 24, 2016 19:21:23 GMT
My new favorite Trump quote:
"They were made up. I don't know these women, it's not my thing to do what they say. You know I don't do that. I don't grab them, as they say, on the arm."
Quite so, Mr. Trump. You don't grab them by the arm.
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Fëanen
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Post by Fëanen on Oct 24, 2016 22:15:51 GMT
I'm having an increasingly difficult time distinguishing Donald Trump from Alec Baldwin's parody version. If I didn't see the third debate with my own eyes I'd have sworn the "bad hombres" and "nasty woman" lines were too over-the-top to be real.
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Post by SteveT on Nov 5, 2016 17:31:03 GMT
And now for an amiibo-based election metaphor. This election is like choosing between Dedede and Waluigi. King Dedede looks villainous. There's no denying that, and he has certainly done some bad things. He's self-centered and loves being in power, but more often than not, he's actually trying to help. In Kirby's Adventure, for example, he was the penultimate boss trying to stop Kirby from doing something stupid and unleashing the real final boss. He often has good intentions, but is just so terrible at conveying his motives and sticking to the rules that he looks like a villain. Kirby and the other residents of Dreamland will never give him the benefit of the doubt and treat him as an enemy even though he's more of an anti-villian. Waluigi, on the other hand, is an unapologetic weirdo. He's a greedy, selfish, crass, and gross character who only showed up in the games to fill an already bloated roster in Mario Tennis. He's never starred in a game of his own, and his biggest role was being the final boss in Mario DDR, a double spin-off. His fans love him because of how entertained they are by his complete lack of redeeming characteristics. There's even a split in the Mario fanbase about whether Waluigi has any business continuing to be a video game character. He's a terrible character, and somehow being such a brazenly terrible character makes him popular. Don't vote based on who is more entertaining. Pick Dedede. He may look bad, but he's trying. Attachments:
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